Inconsistencies in Gokaiger

[Jacky392000]

I enjoyed 199 Heroes, but I agree that they should have made a Sentai dream team like the previous two anniversaries did. from the way they received the Goseiger Grand Power, a single tribute ep would have been enough with one of the Goseigers and GoseiKnight as the only returning characters. I mean, they were aiming more for his Ranger Key than anything else and this is coming from a Goseiger fan lol.

[Loghorn]

Also agree. Thankfully, the actors of RyuuRanger & BoukenRed got proper treatment in the main series, but unfortunately, the actors & the actresses of AkaRanger, AoRanger/Big One, Battle Kenya/Denji Blue, Vul-Eagle II, Goggle Black/Dyna Black, Dyna Pink, Red One, Change Gryphon, Green Flash, Blue Mask, Red Turbo, Five Yellow, Deka Pink, Go-On Yellow, Shinken Green, & Shinken Gold all got the short end of the stick.

[Smilodon]

Battle Kenya and Denji Blue did not get the short stick of anything, considering how we had a movie where we had Ohba play all three of his toku roles.

[Jacky392000]

their "appearance" in the VS Gavan movie was just for shits and giggles, how is that not considered the short end of the stick?

[lazycoconut]

Originally Posted by Shougo B'Stard

That's one of the main reasons why it was do puzzling that Gokaiger really overlooked the older shows in favor of the newer. Who's likelier to do the next anniversary -- someone from Goranger or one of the Hurricanger brats? A lot of those older guys can now still pull off fakin' a fight, so they needed to USE them. It was sad to see performers who are still capable of action like Jun'ichi Haruta, Kazuoki, Kihachiro Uemura, and Ryou Narushima be brushed aside with a Floating Head Cameo.

It is, but then I wonder if by the "floating head" stage they had realised how bad the ratings were and that was likely to be at least partly because young children don't know or care about the older teams ...

Originally Posted by Shougo B'Stard

I don't want to be grim and think the '70s performers will be dead by the next anniversary -- I think people think they're older than they really are -- but it IS a possibility that the ones who were still active in showbiz when Gokaiger aired will retire.

Well, they're now in their 60s. After Gokaiger's ratings, and the cost and trouble of making a huge anniversary series, I don't think Toei will try a show like this again at least until the 50th anniversary (if we get one), by which time it's likely the '70s actors will be dead or too old/ill to perform.

I'll go so far as to say I have no respect for anyone who actively hates Gokaiger (general "anyone.") This is partly due to my burn-out with the fandom, but still, I think it's excessive to make out that Toei had some sort of moral duty to make a show that was going to please absolutely everybody. I've seen people literally say, not on here, but on other sites - "Gokaiger should have been better." No, sorry, Toei doesn't write any Sentai to please English-speaking adults. I feel similarly about Decade but Gokaiger at least avoided some of the problems of that show. And I'm angry that once again a lot of people (again, all across the internet, I am not addressing any specific posters here) can't just say once that they disliked Gokaiger, or express in any rational fashion what they disliked about it. It's just "BAWWWWW I HATE GOKAIGER" in every post, constantly bashing the show over and over, just like Go-onger and Goseiger got. I don't think Gokaiger deserves that, and it makes me quite angry.

[NeonZ]

Well, they're now in their 60s. After Gokaiger's ratings, and the cost and trouble of making a huge anniversary series, I don't think Toei will try a show like this again at least until the 50th anniversary (if we get one), by which time it's likely the '70s actors will be dead or too old/ill to perform.

I don't think the years truly matter, like Super Hero Taisen has just shown. The best chance of a big anniversary tv show is Toei making another Rider anniversary tv series, and it successfully raising Rider's ratings again like Decade did. Only then they will be likely to start a big Sentai anniversary again, like they did with Gokaiger. On the other hand, if the next Rider crossover has basically no effect, like Gokaiger, then we'll probably not see anything else like it for a long time.

[lazycoconut]

Originally Posted by NeonZ

I don't think the years truly matter, like Super Hero Taisen has just shown. The best chance of a big anniversary tv show is Toei making another Rider anniversary tv series, and it successfully raising Rider's ratings like Decade did. Only then they likely will start a big Sentai anniversary again, like they did with Gokaiger. On the other hand, if the next Rider crossover has basically no effect, like Gokaiger, then we'll likely not see anything else like it for a long time.

It's hard to see where that would go. They're unlikely to try the Gokaiger format again even as close as the 45th anniversary. By that time, Decade will be ... eight years back? And since the audience for KR is pretty young, Toei might feel that's far enough away to do another big show. Whatever problems Decade had, it was a hit in Japan, the only thing that seems to have hurt it was the original ending

[Red Ranger]

Originally Posted by Shougo B'Stard

That's one of the main reasons why it was do puzzling that Gokaiger really overlooked the older shows in favor of the newer...that the ones who were still active in showbiz when Gokaiger aired will retire.

As much as I agree that they should have given a few more of the pre-Liveman shows more focus, I think you should be glad that they got to appear at all. I recently found a very interesting interview between Utsunomiya and Takatera... Incoming huge wall-o-text.

When Gokaiger was being planned and all the way up to the end of the first coure/start of the second coure, they had already decided that they were only ever going to do tribute episodes for the shows that had Gokaioh add on toys to promote. So at the time of planning/writing/filming the Shinkenger episodes, the only other tributes planned were an episode where Gai gets the 3 powers for GoZyuJin(this was the Abare episode, which is why it has the Abare title scheme and only Nakadai was asked back), Hurricanger tribute and a Go-onger tribute. During the time of Shinkenger's episodes, it became apparent that the main cast's schedules were going to be very tight for a while because of other work, so to work around their strict schedules, the staff decided to do a one off tribute episode featuring a guest in the main roll. It was then quickly decided to get Yuji Kishi and Urasawa and do a Carranger episode.

Even though plans were still unchanged after Carranger, it was decided that they wanted/needed to do an episode where Basco stole the great power of a team, and knowing that Basco had the Black Knight's ranger key, they decided to an episode involving Gingaman. The original plan for this episode was for Basco to steal Gingaman's great power, but have Gai steal back the Black Knight key. Utsunomiya says that they couldn't figure out a good way for that to all go down, so that plan was scrapped. At that same time they had already made an offer to Ogawa. When they talked to him, he told them ''Ryoma said he wants in too''.

This part isn't in the article, but is pretty well known. Around the time of the offer to Ogawa was when the disasters in Japan all went down. Ogawa created the tokusatsu hero twitter for past toku actors to send messages to cheer people up. The account received a lot of publicity and messages from other Sentai vets, which made a lot of those sentai guys aware of Gokaiger and it featuring past actors making cameos. It's been said that after Ogawa first received the offer, he was at a bar with Maehara where they were talking about what they could do for the kids. Ogawa suggested ''reviving the brothers of the flame'' to Maehara, which is why Ryoma came back.

Back to the interview.. After toei/Gokai staff accepted Ogawa's offer to to allow Maehara back and the traffic Ogawa's tokusatsu twitter was getting, it really ''lit a fire under the staff'' (Takatera's words). They started receiving lots of calls and messages from actors and even retired guys who found out about the show through the toku twitter/other means to let them show up in Gokaiger. That's why we suddenly started getting so many tribute episodes after Gingaman. Utsunomiya credits the Flame Bros' involvement online and in the show for drastically changing Gokaiger.

Even after that, they still never knew who they could get, which is why the Basco'd 5 and Zyuranger appear so late, because they were never planning on them appearing. Everything involving guests post-Ginga was happening with little to no advanced noticed. As you probably know from Kazuoki's blog, their cameo was an extremely last minute thing. Basco stealing the powers was because they needed the villain to succeed in stealing powers and as insurance just in case they couldn't get those guys back and Zyu was obviously already taken care of. Since we know they were only going to do the toy related shows, it's been said that most, if not all of the other teams would have had their powers stolen by Basco. Also, if you remember when 199 was about to come out, we had a bunch of guests confirmed, but then after the movie was delayed we suddenly learned about another bunch of guests and returning voices? Those guys were brought in because of the delay and may have never appeared otherwise if the delay didn't happen. So both instances of floating heads were because of it being last minute additions (199 heroes was already finished its filming, so the head thing would have still been there, but with less guests). You also have to remember that the audience of late teens/young adults who started watching Gokaiger because of returning actors are of the 86~94 range, which is why pretty much every team after Liveman had a tribute.

Without Ogawa and Maehara's involvement, the only tributes planned were Magi, Deka, Geki (weird, I know), Gao, Shinken, Car, Ginga, Hurri and Go-on.

Damn, I apologize for the potentially incoherent wall of text , but thank you Teruaki Ogawa!

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[Black Fang]

^ Well that would explain some stuff.

Originally Posted by lazycoconut

I've seen people literally say, not on here, but on other sites - "Gokaiger should have been better." No, sorry, Toei doesn't write any Sentai to please English-speaking adults.

So if you're not Japanese, you can't dislike stuff in Gokaiger? And you're assuming there aren't any Japanese fans who had issues with the show.

[Smilodon]

Thank Jesus for Ogawa, we got some great tribute episodes because of him. I couldn't imagine not having a Dairanger or a Timeranger or a Liveman or an Ohranger tribute. Those were some great tribute episodes.