Kamen Rider Kabuto - Talk Up! [Fansub Spoilers!!!]

[tenza]

Wow, um...

That was a pretty neat episode, but that part with Yaguruma getting knocked away...what the hell was that? :laugh:

That was getting owned lol.

[Igadevil]

That was just so crazy, along with the Hoppers getting owned...by Gon! What happened to the writers making them these deadly, unpredictable psychopaths? They seemed to be going for that up until a couple episodes ago, then suddenly it's the Asakura Effect all over again. Now, it always seems to be "Punch/Kick Hopper strays from the path and the other one gets all pouty, but eventually Punch/Kick Hopper learns that in order to continue to walk in DARKNESS! they need to stick together and just flip off everything else. Hey, let's go eat some ramen and act like bums!" I really hope they actually do something that affects the plot soon...half the time it's like they're in their own show and trying to figure out how to get back into Kamen Rider Kabuto. :laugh:

[Dogbot]

Episode 40

The whole Dark Kabuto thing was dissapointing, I mean, sure, it was cool to see him in action, but he was only there right before the Theme song, But the rest of the episode made up for it though.

Before that, The Hoppers got owned, BY GON!:laugh: That was so cute when a little girl stops a duo of Psycho bums(or whatever their called) and the way Yugaruma flew away, being humiliated again.

It was sad and unexpected that Rene got killed off, I thought that she would last for about 45. And that sheild came out of nowhere too.

So now the super hero time has 2 characters that haven't even been in the same scene together annoucing something on Bouken. Next episode, more natives and Tsurugi gets slamed in the face by the Hoppers and gets a new worm form(if thats him though). And something to do with Gattack.

I just realized, Gattack and Tsurugi didn't henshin at all in this episode.

[taramjwi]

I'm surprised Daisuke actually beat Rena after the way he and Kageyama got wooped the last time they tussled. Also, this episode featured some excellent use of clock up. Double rider shooting anyone?

[Vox Age]

That was just so crazy, along with the Hoppers getting owned...by Gon! What happened to the writers making them these deadly, unpredictable psychopaths?

No kidding. Kick Hopper, badass enough to give Rena trouble alone gets reduced to comic relief.



After being obstructed effectively by a fire extinguisher. With Punch Hopper.

[Category Queen]

I think Dark Kabuto is only shown a little because he's supposed to be the main villain. They won't show us much about him right now and will keep him for the episodes near the finale. After all it's not fun if the main villain's been shown too much, like Joker from Blade.

[Aoi Kurenai]

The people writing this show have really dropped the ball. Now I feel that the Hoppers role wasn't to be the kickass badguys that we thought they would be, but to be dark emo riders of emoness that start to value life after four episodes. I really wish they'd just make up their damn minds already. I like Yaguruma either way, but it's hard to get behind the character when the writers don't even know what they want to do with him. Ah well, just more wasted potential, guess that's nothing new for Kabuto though.

I'm also getting bored waiting for the main Worm villains to appear. We've gotten Rena, but nothing else in the form of higher Worms. I hate when the river vs rider stuff gets higher priority than actually fighting the enemies of the series.

[wyyc]

Someone here stated that the episodes with Daisuke were usually the best, and I fully agree. The whole issue of Rena trying to oversome the Worm memories was beautifully written. Rena didn't understand why some of her Worm followers started to like human life, but her memory loss enabled her to somewhat comprehend human emotions and the like. Yet, as Blue said, we haven't seen any higher Worms other than Rena. In fact, our knowledge about the Worms is practically zilch. Ep 41 may clear some things up, but I think things look set to become even more far fetched. I wonder if there are other Worms like Rena, who don't want to return to being Worms and want to remain as humans. That would be interesting. We could have 2 opposing groups within the Worms, where one wants to kill humans and the Natives, while the others want to live peacefully with humans and the Natives. But, given the extreme lack of information we have so far about the Worms, I doubt anything substantial will come from this sub-par villian group.

The Hoppers are disappointing. Blue's right. We don't even know what their role is anymore. It seems when either one of them strays from their Path of Hell, the other throws a tantrum and tries to get his straying comrade back. Kageyama pouting and pushing Yaguruma was stupid. They're fast turning into comic relief, much like Tsurugi. I thought that they would be full of vengeance and have only one purpose in mind (to destroy Tendou), but apparently that's not the case. Yagu getting whacked by a Worm? Gon owning the Hoppers? :eyebrow: Contrasting this to Yagu's debut in 33 and Kageyama going psycho on Gatack in 36, I am really very disappointed. Like Blue said, it's wasted potential. Again.

Once again: Bad Kabuto Writers. Baaaaaaaad. SO much potential wasted and taken in the wrong direction. Bummer.

[RiderZronos]

Episode 40 was below average for me. Blue and wyyc are totally right about all the wasted potential this show has become...

Kagami complained about wanting to be a Rider from the start. And now that he is one, he's only regulated to stomping out Pupa Worms using ol' fashioned rasslin moves and faking a romance with Misaki? So much for being "Tendou's equal"

Tsurugi/Sasword/Scorpioworm has become an even greater waste. As funny as his scenes are now, he's proven no better than "Kagaaami" in terms of being a Rider. And Sasword, being my favorite Rider in terms of combat capability, disappoints me for the fact that it's so powerful, yet so wasted. And I don't even think anyone cares about the fact that he's Scorpioworm anymore, cause I sure don't.

And the Hoppers?!? oh man... this week really changed my mind about them. Yaguruma hasn't even had a scratch on his armor since his return. And all of a sudden, he gets smacked away like a ragdoll by Ucaworm?! And their constant wandering and reminding one another that they're not supposed to care has made me wonder if that's what they're on the show for.

As far this episode goes story wise, I'm glad Tendou FINALLY used something other than Maximum Rider Typhoon. And I laughed a lil when Dark Kabuto literally kicked him out of Hiyori's dimension.And I was stunned to see Ucaworm die so soon. But then again, I should've noticed that two weeks ago. But for Daisuke to kill her using an admittedly clever tactic after even Tendou couldn't do it as Hyper Kabuto makes me wonder how useful it REALLY is. Not to mention that Daisuke was amongst the 1st Riders Ucaworm beat.

Now as for next week, the Hoppers kidnap Tsurugi, but for what? Plus Mishima and Riku return, and some guy in a cloak appears with six Executive Worms? I think the Hoppers may be working with the Executive Worms. And now with Ucaworm gone, they've probably been ordered to capture Scorpioworm to replace her. If that's true, it'll be a great way to give all of the useless characters seen in the preview a 2nd chance at usefullness for me

[rwar]

Wow, Rena's dead, didn't think it'd happen this early. At least she wasn't killed by Drake suddenly becoming ultra powerful, but a huge tactical error. (Dodge, don't block!! And stay aware of your surroundings.) Drake suddenly became ultra-badass, agile at dodging, not the pansy he was in previous episodes who was rather weak. But always they have him close in, wasting his gun advantage. I understand this though, if he didn't close in, either he'd beat all the other Riders, or his gun would be useless.

They aren't showing a lot of henshins anymore - oh well. But they finally used (regular) clock up again!!

The green stones definitely have something do with time manipulation, (and hence, the Rider Systems). And I still think only Nativeworms have them. The one Rena was holding, I figure is Hiyori's mom's (Rena picked it up from the floor of Area X). In this episode they even have time freeze for Tendou as he's pondering the stone, in the cafe.

And Kabuto got beat by Dark Kabuto's Rider Kick. Well, at least flung away. That's one thing I don't get. If your opponent is going for their finisher, don't just meet it with yours, why not dodge, then attack? (But then again, this is Kabuto, who successfully countered Drake's and Gatack's finishers with his own.) Tendou needs to figure out how to beat himself. (Or maybe it involves Kagami...)

But if I was a Rider, I'd charge up my finisher, Clock Up, and before my enemy reacted in the precious second or so I just gained before they can begin their own clock up, smack them. Or better, take out my enemy before he even henshins.

The Kabuto vs Dark Kabuto fight was actually pretty nice to watch, for once - not one-sided as usual. Especially the mirror-image simultaenous Rider Kick preparation. Dark Kabuto seems to have more exaggerated arm movements, although I may be reading too much into this.

I'd like a cockatoo like Hiyori's - trained to say encouraging things!

Hmm, worms who try to live as humans in their human personality, every single non-Native worm, has always lost control of their worms selves at one point or another. Even Misaki-worm and Makato-worm. (While on their other hand, Native-worms are always in full control even as worms.) However, from-the-future Hyper Kabuto saved Scorpioworm earlier on, so maybe Kamishiro is ok?

Yagaruma being hit looked so out of place, and obviously fake, but did make me laugh. So I guess it fulfilled its purpose. And the time a worm attacks a Rider before he can henshin, still didn't kill.

It's really weird how Sasword can fly around with the Perfect Zecter, while can't with the Sasword Yaiber. And that gold worm was killed with so little fanfare I didn't notice it died on the first time I watched.

I wonder what Hiyori is thinking. All alone in the middle of nowhere with someone just like Tendou, but not the same one. The Kabuto popping in and calling her name and being ko'd back to real time.

I'm still wondering if the Hoppers have Clock Up. If they don't, why don't worms or regular riders just speed up and whoop 'em. Unless they SUPPRESS Clock Up or something.

One final sidenote: Isn't everyone's house (that we've seen) HUGE by Japanese standards? Unless there's bigger places in the non-metropolitan areas that aren't that expensive...

I agree over the wasted potential though, many aspects of the show are getting introduced, then forgotten/overlooked. Gatack is pretty overshadowed by Hyper Kabuto, so much for being a better version of Kabuto. Hoppers arrived looking badass, but now do squat. Sasword has the coolest abilities (a melee AND ranged finisher!) but is the worst in fighting skills, despite supposedly being trained (and exceeding his tutors) all the time. And Kagami's brother all but forgotten. Maybe it'll get mentioned in one of the final episodes or something. Right now we've got mini-series of small self-contained plots, but the overall plot has very little in development.

[Aoi Kurenai]

I think of all the riders, Tsurugi is used the best. His character was given natural development, just to a slightly funnier degree. He's the disillusioned rich guy learning what the world is like, so it seems normal for him to be like that. I always liked him as a comical character more than his super serious side. I don't mind him getting in some good serious story, but I'd much rather have him be comical, because honestly, for me, it makes him the best character in the entire show at this point. And that's not just because nearly everyone else sucks, but because he's funny and I love every episode that centers around him.

And I don't even think anyone cares about the fact that he's Scorpioworm anymore, cause I sure don't.In episode 41 he's going to gain a new Scorpioworm form (http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2140/1163290984855qh3.jpg), so he's probably going to get some more good stuff. But sadly, that just proves that these writers must have ADD or something.

Episode 19~20- I will replace God while slashing with a-

Episode 21 - I am Gatack! The God of war and I will surpass Kabu-

Episode 31 - Hiyori! She's a Worm! How could this-

Epsisode 33 - I've gone to Hell, now let me take-

Episode 34 - I will grasp the future with my-

Episode 35 - We are the brothers of-

Episode 37 - SUPA SPECIAL HAPPY FUN TIME PERFECT ZEC-

Episode 39 - Ohh...look at the cute little pup*Yaguruma hand swipe* We must stay in the dar-

Episode 40 - Dark Kabu-

Episode 41 - New Worm fo-

And so on until it ends

[RiderZronos]

In episode 41 he's going to gain a new Scorpioworm form (http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2140/1163290984855qh3.jpg), so he's probably going to get some more good stuff. But sadly, that just proves that these writers must have ADD or something.

Episode 19~20- I will replace God while slashing with a-

Episode 21 - I am Gatack! The God of war and I will surpass Kabu-

Episode 31 - Hiyori! She's a Worm! How could this-

Epsisode 33 - I've gone to Hell, now let me take-

Episode 34 - I will grasp the future with my-

Episode 35 - We are the brothers of-

Episode 37 - SUPA SPECIAL HAPPY FUN TIME PERFECT ZEC-

Episode 39 - Ohh...look at the cute little pup*Yaguruma hand swipe* We must stay in the dar-

Episode 40 - Dark Kabu-

Episode 41 - New Worm fo-

And so on until it ends

haha! quite hilarious. But that really is Scorpioworm? So maybe Tsurugi really will become important again...

[Aoi Kurenai]

haha! quite hilarious. But that really is Scorpioworm? So maybe Tsurugi really will become important again...I doubt he'll become important again. It's Kabuto, he'll get maybe two episodes devoted to him and then shoved into the room of forgotten characters and plots...which must be getting cramped by now.

[RiderZronos]

I doubt he'll become important again. It's Kabuto, he'll get maybe two episodes devoted to him and then shoved into the room of forgotten characters and plots...which must be getting cramped by now.

I'll assume by that, you mean "destroyed" like Ucaworm

[Igadevil]

Episode 19~20- I will replace God while slashing with a-

Episode 21 - I am Gatack! The God of war and I will surpass Kabu-

Episode 31 - Hiyori! She's a Worm! How could this-

Epsisode 33 - I've gone to Hell, now let me take-

Episode 34 - I will grasp the future with my-

Episode 35 - We are the brothers of-

Episode 37 - SUPA SPECIAL HAPPY FUN TIME PERFECT ZEC-

Episode 39 - Ohh...look at the cute little pup*Yaguruma hand swipe* We must stay in the dar-

Episode 40 - Dark Kabu-

Episode 41 - New Worm fo-

And so on until it ends

:laugh: Yeah, that's it all right.

And I think that entire thing with Yaguruma getting knocked away, while pretty funny, was also so out-of-place. I actually had to go back and watch that scene over just to convince myself I had seen it. If that had served as a reminder to Yaguruma that all Worms are filthy scum that must be destroyed and he came back at the end and brutally killed Ucaworm with a witty "Are you still laughing at me?" remark, thus forming a grudge with Drake, it would have made some sense. As it is, it just looks silly, reaffirms that nobody really takes the Hoppers seriously, and rather than be the Evil! Double Riders, they're just like two of the many side characters who don't have anything to do anymore, but the writers don't want to kill them off.

Drake being the one to kill Rena though, was a surprising touch. I think Daisuke got through this episode the best, compared to everyone else.

I have hope for #41 though, because the new high level Worm guy looks pretty neat, and even if they're all little more than comedy relief now, Hoppers + Tsurugi is bound to be funny.

[Kainsword17]

A new "PURPLE" Scorpioworm??? He must be Ucaworm's replacement as field leader of the Worms. He looks awesome!!!

[Vigi-Kami]

You guys are all over-reacting. I thought this epsiode developed the hoppers. I like seing them as real characters instead of 'oh! We the Darkness! Fear our bad-assed darkness!' Seriously. Not once have they ever claimed to be anything romotely evil. The only thing they have dark going for them is their vengeance against Tendou/Kagami. They only fought Drake becouse he wouldn't let them kill Rena. I don't think they have anything against the other riders in general. Only the two specifically that led to their downfall.

A satisfying resolution to their story is coming guys. You just have to wait for it to develop. If the whole series was out now and we were watching these episodes one after another you guys wouldn't even be having these complaints. We have like 10 episodes left. Assume that the writers have written a script for the hoppers that will last until the end. wait and see how it goes.

Pesonally this episode and the preview suggests to me that they are gearing up to make Sasword and the Hoppers major players for the next stretch of episodes. I'm looking foreward to the resolution of both their plots and am willing to wait for it to happen.

[Aoi Kurenai]

Having them try to be normal would be all fine and dandy, but that doesn't work with the way they were built up. The reason they're Hoppers is because they reject normal people and emotions, to have them go back on that so soon after they were introducdd just seems like dropping the ball. I like that they're at least trying to keep each other in check though, but they shouldn't have to. If all the Zecters have different reasons for being with their partners, I would think the Hopper Zecters are with their riders because they would only allow those who have rejected happiness to use them. Yeah the stuff that the Hoppers did was funny, I loved Kageyama's reaction to Yaguruma's footsie moment, but it just seems so damn out of place. Maybe if all this had happened before they became the Hoppers, have Yaguruma save Kageyama as a human and then go through this stuff and THEN have them become Hoppers once they've truly rejected emotions...but we're stuck with oddly placed character development. These characters were built up to be the big badasses of the series and you'd think that they'd be resolute in their mission by this point.

I really doubt we're going to get much of a satisfying resolution. With nine (if that)episodes left, we've got to close up Kagami's story line, the Hoppers, Tsurugi's and figure out just what the hell is up with Dark Kabuto. It would have served the series a lot better to have had Dark Kabuto and the Hoppers come in sooner, God knows it would have been better than that stupid kitchen battle arc.

Oh well, I'm at least enjoying the acting from the Hoppers. Those two and Tsurugi are the best actors we've got on this season, I'd love to see them all in more toku. Doubt it'll be anytime soon though, it was rare enough seeing an actor have a role as a main character in two shows in two consecutive years - Kageyama and Ren Senju.

[Igadevil]

You guys are all over-reacting. I thought this epsiode developed the hoppers. I like seing them as real characters

But the thing is, we did see them as real characters, a few episodes ago. We got some great characer-building moments like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/ikadevil/hopperbros.jpg

And now we have stuff like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/ikadevil/1163348778938.gif

I mean come on, as much as I enjoyed them in this episode, for the Hoppers it was far from their finest hour. :laugh:

[Impulse87]

looks like tsurugi might go evil on us next episode, that new guy looks like the leader of everything, the final boss if you will..........

very emotional episode, haen't been so drawn in since gon's departure episode very moving, the episodes with daisuke are the best ones

[Aoi Kurenai]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/ikadevil/1163348778938.gif
Dammit, that thing's hypnotic.

[toodle doodle]

I have a theory for all these wasted potential fellow Kabuto fans...the culprit is something we have in our everyday lives...

NOODLES!!!

Yes, noodles! The writers, when eating noodles, gets a natural high. Just notice how the characters get turned into comic relief by eating noodles.

Kagami: Kageyama said I was useless...*sniff*
Misaki: Eat your noodles! *RAWR!!!*
Kagami: Yes maam!

Tsurugi: Hmm...what's with that line?
Jiya: That looks like a ramen stand.
Tsurugi: Mmm...la~men! I must have some!
*after getting to the stand*
Tsurugi: I am the man on top of waiting in a line!
*Tsurugi finally eats some la~men*
*a few episodes later, Tsurugi is now complete comic relief*

*Misaki, Kagami, and Tadokoro are eating in a soba shop*
Tadokoro: This soba sucks!
Cook: Oh yeah?!? Can you tell it to me IN DA FACE?!?!
Tadokoro: RAAAAAWRRR!!!
Cook: *balls shrink*
*Tadokoro turns into a roaring bouncer of comic relief, complete with rusty kitchen knife*

*Hopper duo is eating noodles under a bridge* WTF
*an episode later, they get turned to comic relief*

By the end of the series, I'm guessing the final boss is a giant noodle worm.

See?!? It's those evil noodles!!! They turn characters in the show to comic relief characters!!!

[Aoi Kurenai]

Jetman already tried the cup noodle monster...opinions on that one are pretty easy to guess.

[DiscoInferno]

Character wise, I think the Hoppers have been pretty good so far, but they also seem somewhat pointless and unnecessary to the show as a whole. My hope for them is that they're given a proper purpose instead of just lurking around doing random stuff.

[Vigi-Kami]

I acctually don't think that the intent was for them to be humurous this episode... at least I didn't find it to be humurous. Yagu getting thrown seemed starling to me... not funny. I thought it had impact. Though since everyone seemed to find it humurous I guess the writers did drop the ball. I guess it was probably because it looked so fake... meaning really it was the fault of the effects artists for doing a poor job.

I did really enjoy the chemistry between Yagu and Kage when he was caught fighting the executive worm. Their facial expressions just communicated so much in that scene alone.

I could argue the point about wether 9 episodes will be enough to tie up the plot points, but it could really go either way. I mean it could be like Blade where they left many of the largest plot threads right to the end but had a VERY satisfying resolution, or it could be like Faiz which had everyone going 'what the fuck?' I guess we'll just have to wait. Personally this is the most frustrating point in the series for me because I know they're nearly at the end yet it's still going to be another 2 1/2 to 3 months before it's actually over.