Kamen Rider Kabuto - Talk Up! [Fansub Spoilers!!!]

[Aoi Kurenai]

:P Hibiki got 38 episodes but Kabuto can't even be given 20. That's sad.Hibiki had some form of a story, likeable cast and good music. Kabuto's just not fun to keep up with when the only cast member I like isn't in half the episodes. And damnit Tendou, smile more often! I like the TheBee subplot mainly because it feels like that should be the main plot itself, Tendou's story isn't really going anywhere. With Hibiki, even though he seemed uncaring about things, he was bothered by the fact that he thought he wasn't a good mentor to Asumu. Tendou's got no character space left, where can he go? I wouldn't mind if his character was like this in the last ten or so episodes, but at this point in the series, it makes him feel too bland for my liking. But I'm hoping it'll get better.

[MaraJade]

It left Yaguruma because Tendou Said It Would. :laugh: :laugh: j/k
Yeah...Kageyama's a douchebag. Someone should give the Zabii zector back to Kagami.
Edit:
Damn...talk about sloppy seconds....

Are you kidding? We're at like what, ::counts:: sloppy fifths?

Hibiki had some form of a story, likeable cast and good music. Kabuto's just not fun to keep up with when the only cast member I like isn't in half the episodes. And damnit Tendou, smile more often! I like the TheBee subplot mainly because it feels like that should be the main plot itself, Tendou's story isn't really going anywhere. With Hibiki, even though he seemed uncaring about things, he was bothered by the fact that he thought he wasn't a good mentor to Asumu. Tendou's got no character space left, where can he go? I wouldn't mind if his character was like this in the last ten or so episodes, but at this point in the series, it makes him feel too bland for my liking. But I'm hoping it'll get better.

Well said. He has no room for growth. The only way he can go now is down. And Hibiki did care about everything, he just didn't let it sway him, but that didn't mean that he never questioned himself, what he was all about, whether he'd stick to being an Oni, and for what purpose. Heck in the end, when Asamu goes his own way, he respected that as well. Hibiki was the one rider who really took this idea of being a hero, plus mentor, plus walking his own beat (hence the song...duh), without being a d* and without stomping on everything or acting like he's the man of steel with no emotions, no problems, nothing but sunshine and flowers.

[Arion Hunter]

Be prepared for a ramble:

The comparison that always comes to mind concerning Kabuto is of Max Demian from Hermann Hesse's Demian (Comparisons to Existentialist German Literature are always the best). Max was to Sinclair as Tendou is to Kagami, but while Tendou is overbearing and smug Max helped Sinclair on his path to understand the "Mark of Cain" without needing to constantly assert his superiority, despite basically leading Sinclair on the entire novel. As evidenced, it's not impossible to create a "mentor" figure like the writers wish Tendou to be, but to wit, I think this really comes down to a seriously faulty writing team, along with Tendou's one-note actor. Currently, the plot is stagnating and the enemy is purposless and undefined, so Tendou's perfection comes off as a kind of parody, almost to the point he's a Gary Stu. It doesn't matter that he cares; he's too busy on his own "path to heaven" to stop and consider really helping Kagami. As someone else pointed out, the best leaders lead by example; if one were to take Tendou's example, one would be a self-centered jerk. Unfortuantely, Tendou's actor isn't skilled enough to overcome these shortcomings.

Also, it doesn't help that I've been watching Blade alongside Kabuto. While I know Blade isn't the greatest series by a long shot, I still care much more about Kenzaki and crew's fate than I ever could about Tendou.

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[Sage Shinigami]

Be prepared for a ramble:

The comparison that always comes to mind concerning Kabuto is of Max Demian from Hermann Hesse's Demian (Comparisons to Existentialist German Literature are always the best). Max was to Sinclair as Tendou is to Kagami, but while Tendou is overbearing and smug Max helped Sinclair on his path to understand the "Mark of Cain" without needing to constantly assert his superiority, despite basically leading Sinclair on the entire novel. As evidenced, it's not impossible to create a "mentor" figure like the writers wish Tendou to be, but to wit, I think this really comes down to a seriously faulty writing team, along with Tendou's one-note actor. Currently, the plot is stagnating and the enemy is purposless and undefined, so Tendou's perfection comes off as a kind of parody, almost to the point he's a Gary Stu. It doesn't matter that he cares; he's too busy on his own "path to heaven" to stop and consider really helping Kagami. As someone else pointed out, the best leaders lead by example; if one were to take Tendou's example, one would be a self-centered jerk. Unfortuantely, Tendou's actor isn't skilled enough to overcome these shortcomings.
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.......What's the actor got to do with the lines? I don't get it.

[MaraJade]

Be prepared for a ramble:

The comparison that always comes to mind concerning Kabuto is of Max Demian from Hermann Hesse's Demian (Comparisons to Existentialist German Literature are always the best). Max was to Sinclair as Tendou is to Kagami, but while Tendou is overbearing and smug Max helped Sinclair on his path to understand the "Mark of Cain" without needing to constantly assert his superiority, despite basically leading Sinclair on the entire novel. As evidenced, it's not impossible to create a "mentor" figure like the writers wish Tendou to be, but to wit, I think this really comes down to a seriously faulty writing team, along with Tendou's one-note actor. Currently, the plot is stagnating and the enemy is purposless and undefined, so Tendou's perfection comes off as a kind of parody, almost to the point he's a Gary Stu. It doesn't matter that he cares; he's too busy on his own "path to heaven" to stop and consider really helping Kagami. As someone else pointed out, the best leaders lead by example; if one were to take Tendou's example, one would be a self-centered jerk. Unfortuantely, Tendou's actor isn't skilled enough to overcome these shortcomings.

Also, it doesn't help that I've been watching Blade alongside Kabuto. While I know Blade isn't the greatest series by a long shot, I still care much more about Kenzaki and crew's fate than I ever could about Tendou.

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::DIES:: OMG. SOMEBODY on this BOARD has read HESSE? ::DIES:: And I agree. WOW...::marvels:: You find out something new everyday.

The writers try to make Tendou out like Siddhartha, but due to the actor's lack of acting, and probably bad writing, he falls short of that.

[Impulse87]

::DIES:: OMG. SOMEBODY on this BOARD has read HESSE? ::DIES:: And I agree. WOW...::marvels:: You find out something new everyday.

The writers try to make Tendou out like Siddhartha, but due to the actor's lack of acting, and probably bad writing, he falls short of that.

hmmm i wouldn't go as far as saying that Tendou is based off of Siddhartha, instead I'd say he's an egotistical guy who seems to know more than he's letting on

[MaraJade]

hmmm i wouldn't go as far as saying that Tendou is based off of Siddhartha, instead I'd say he's an egotistical guy who seems to know more than he's letting on

LOL...It would be too cliche for me to "die again" but...yeah, no. He's NOT Siddhartha even though that's how the writers are trying to portray him...at least after he's found Nirvana. BUt even then, he had to strive and go the way of all mortals before finding himself at The River. He had to deal with learning about money, the samanas, separation from Govinda, and Samsara. So....even then, he's REALLY not like Tendou. Unless Tendou did all that well, but either the writers aren't going to show that or Tendou's actor really can't pull that off. or both.

[Arion Hunter]

.......What's the actor got to do with the lines? I don't get it.

Some actors have a way with delivery that others don't. To use a really recent example, "We got snakes on this mf-ing plane." is not a sentence that many actors could say straight-faced without sounding silly, but Samuel Jackson just makes it cool due to his skill. Similarly, a skilled actor can make sappy romance novel lines actually believeable. Tendou's actor, in my opinion, lacks such skills


::DIES:: OMG. SOMEBODY on this BOARD has read HESSE? ::DIES:: And I agree. WOW...::marvels:: You find out something new everyday.

The writers try to make Tendou out like Siddhartha, but due to the actor's lack of acting, and probably bad writing, he falls short of that.

Haha, Hesse is my writing idol, actually. I think I gave the librarian a bit of a surprise when I came up with both The Journey to the East and Cromartie High School today.

Though I agree with Impulse87 that Tendou really lacks the inner conviction to match Siddhartha. Siddhartha tried everyone's path but made his own, then found his own spiritual perfection. The perfection Tendou seeks is just perfection, self-centered and self-driven.

[Sage Shinigami]

Some actors have a way with delivery that others don't. To use a really recent example, "We got snakes on this mf-ing plane." is not a sentence that many actors could say straight-faced without sounding like silly, but Samuel Jackson just makes it cool due to his skill. Similarly, a skilled actor can make sappy romance novel lines actually believeable. Tendou's actor, in my opinion, lacks such skills


I guess. He works for what the lines are. Like I mentioned earlier, not even Miyauchi could make the line, "Hey, your brother's dead, still wanna party" sound anything but jerk-y. And no, Sam Jackson doesn't make "We got snakes on this mf-ing plane" sound cool. It sounds just as silly and hilarious from him as it would from Tom Cruise.


Though I agree with Impulse87 that Tendou really lacks the inner conviction to match Siddhartha. Siddhartha tried everyone's path but made his own, then found his own spiritual perfection. The perfection Tendou seeks is just perfection, self-centered and self-driven.

Its more that he thinks he's already perfect, I think. :sweat: And, I guess you could call him self-centered, even though he spends most of his time saving lives.

[MaraJade]

Some actors have a way with delivery that others don't. To use a really recent example, "We got snakes on this mf-ing plane." is not a sentence that many actors could say straight-faced without sounding like silly, but Samuel Jackson just makes it cool due to his skill. Similarly, a skilled actor can make sappy romance novel lines actually believeable. Tendou's actor, in my opinion, lacks such skills

Exactly.

Haha, Hesse is my writing idol, actually. I think I gave the librarian a bit of a surprise when I came up with both The Journey to the East and Cromartie High School today.

Of course, Hesse got real Buddhism very wrong, as it's a very Euro-centric interpretation, but he is a good writer. He can be a bit dense though. I was pleasantly surprised by how many of my kids liked it when I taught it. LMAO as an afterthought...what if I taught Kabuto in my classes. HAHAHAHA. ::dies laughing::

Though I agree with Impulse87 that Tendou really lacks the inner conviction to match Siddhartha. Siddhartha tried everyone's path but made his own, then found his own spiritual perfection. The perfection Tendou seeks is just perfection, self-centered and self-driven.

Ditto. Siddhartha went everyone's path and found his own. Tendou doesn't seem interested in anything that doesn't start with a T, maybe Hiyori.

[Sage Shinigami]

Ditto. Siddhartha went everyone's path and found his own. Tendou doesn't seem interested in anything that doesn't start with a T, maybe Hiyori.

He saved Kagami's life in episode 14. Even after he told him to handle it for himself, he saved him anyway.

[Momotaros]

I must say 16 eps in the show. I love it so far. I love what thier doing with Kagami. They are slowly building his character up. I don't think he will be a rider not a least intill the end or unless he becomes the 5th one,but I will say I don't think his nice routine will last. I see his father biting the big one in the future and Kagami turning evil with revenge. I knew Tendou only joined Shadow to help Kagami self confidence. My question is will Kagami find out he didn't kill that worm by himself? Any ways just wanted to say I enjoy the series so far. Peace out!

[Dogbot]

Just got done finishing episode 13 from TVN.

Question, I know there are subs on it but I don't understand why Kageyama was mad at Yaguruma? Was it because Yagu failed as Zabee?

[Doggy Kruger]

Looks like Sasword will appear next week.

[Igadevil]

New episode time

I liked this week's episode a lot, a lot of screen time for Gon, who (in one of those favorite recent Rider series plot devices) has amnesia, and after getting whacked on the head regains some of her lost memories that deal with her mother and a Worm attack. The Worm in this episode has some really weird sound effects. And I'm never riding the bus again!

Kagami was pretty funny in this one, I like "his version" of him destroying the Worm last episode.

For the first time in a while (or first time at all, I lost track) Tendou is actually afraid/concerned when he thinks his sister has collapsed and when he finds Hiyori unconcious, and he expresses disappointment when Gon says his cooking sucks. That was kind of neat, and I think it's an interesting angle that they're starting to play up more- Tendou can't always be in control of every situation and he does actually care about other people.

He also shows that he can apparently dodge a bullet near the end. And this is pre-transformation, non-Clocked Up Tendou.

Kageyama is turning into mega creep, stalking (and eventually kidnapping) Gon and punchin' out Hiyori. He also makes Drake fight with Kabuto. I'd actually sort of like if they kept this up for a few more episodes, making Kageyama a really, really bad guy. Then mid-series have the Zecter go back to Yaguruma, who eventually puts aside his differances with Tendou and is a more heroic TheBee.

As for Daisuke/Drake, he gets increasingly upset with Gon, but he still caves into Kageyama's demand when he sees that she's in danger. There's one great embarassing scene where he has to follow Gon everywhere when she's freaking out over being stalked, and gets in trouble for it. Listen for a very familiar sound effect!

What I want to know about the very last shot though: what exactly does Kabuto think that's gonna do? :laugh:

In the post-preview commerical sponsor thingy, they showed a shot of the Sasword Zecter crawling along, so the new Rider might appear next week or soon after.

[Impulse87]

hmmm, now that I think about it, it seems that Kagami really doesn't fit the role of being Zabee, now before you guys pull out the torches and pitch forks, let me explain myself. A bee is but one of many, it blindly follows the orders of the hive never questioning the integrity of the hive's decisions, just like Kageyama, Yaguruma, mishima, etc. Kagami doesn't blindly follow orders, when they ordered him to kill Tendou, he refused, he deserves to be a rider, just not one that blindly follows orders.

Kabuto's going great for me so far, now all I need to see is an army of Zabee's in the movie, that would make my day :buttrock:

[JFC]

Question, I know there are subs on it but I don't understand why Kageyama was mad at Yaguruma? Was it because Yagu failed as Zabee?I got more of an impression that Kageyama was disappointed that Yaguruma "lost" the ability to become TheBee because the Zector left him. This gives the impression that in the eyes of the Zector, Yaguruma was no longer worthy of being TheBee. It's like when a kid is let down by his hero, that's sort of what Yaguruma was to Kageyama, a mentor/hero. Remember that when Yaguruma asked to be let back into Shadow, Kageyama refused, saying that he'd be a disruptive force to the teams Kanzen Chouwa. *ouch*

It's like in Kageyama's mind, Yaguruma failed, and is no longer worthy of the respect and adulation that he had before when he still was the TheBee and was the head of Shadow.

[FreedomR8G6B1]

Kagami doesn't blindly follow orders, when they ordered him to kill Tendou, he refused, he deserves to be a rider, just not one that blindly follows orders.

Is this more suitable for Kagami???:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1175/rx200605210016391bx.jpg

[Dogbot]

Yes...mabey...

Just watched Kabuto 14, Looks like Hiyoi(sp) thinks that Tendou could not be that mysterious kid 7 years ago. Looks like Tendou is hidding something. However, Was there really any proof Tendou killed them anyways if that was him? Would it be the meteor(sp)? Could it have been Gastag that killed him?

So far, Kageyama isn't bad so far, he is..so-so. I didn't hear him whine yet(or atleast for now.)Where did that Shadow Trooper who almost shot Kagami came from?

PS. that sceen with the zecter poking the window made me go "awwwww" for some reason.

[Sage Shinigami]

Yes...mabey...

Just watched Kabuto 14, Looks like Hiyoi(sp) thinks that Tendou could not be that mysterious kid 7 years ago. Looks like Tendou is hidding something. However, Was there really any proof Tendou killed them anyways if that was him? Would it be the meteor(sp)? Could it have been Gastag that killed him?

So far, Kageyama isn't bad so far, he is..so-so. I didn't hear him whine yet(or atleast for now.)Where did that Shadow Trooper who almost shot Kagami came from?


So-so? The guy that would've let Kagami DIE to bring out a Worm? Say what you want, but Tendou's never done that. Bait, yes, but he was there to make sure that it didn't get out of hand. Kageyama was FULLY prepared to let Kagami die, and didn't really care whether he did or not.

Oh, and I bet Tendou did it. And the parents were probably already dead and these were the first Worms.


PS. that sceen with the zecter poking the window made me go "awwwww" for some reason.

:P

[ForeverRed]

So far, Kageyama isn't bad so far, he is..so-so.

Wait until you will find him being complain and then you'll hate him anyway. ;)

[VLuffy]

but come on guys the 1/3 of the series finished and we still don't know who's gonna do what. I mean the bee zector's going everywhere. Drake and Kabuto still fights each other and even Sasword's not out yet. Just come on , if this keeps up i guess in the 40th episodes , we will see Someone as Official Zabee and Kanzen Rider Team but the series would already end so it wouldn't worth anything.

And I guess Kagami will be Zabee cause think it like that. After seeing those horrible actions tendou will say you are not even in the path. Than Zabee Zector will leave Kageyama and go to Kagami who chose and sticks to his path and thinks that he killed a worm alone which will give him more confidence right ?

[Dogbot]

Wait until you will find him being complain and then you'll hate him anyway. ;)

Well, I like the fact that he is heartless, that is what I like in a villian(yes, i conciter him as one)

Just wondering, where are you guys watching this at, I am watching it at TVN and you guys are ahead.

[Aoi Kurenai]

Wait until you will find him being complain and then you'll hate him anyway. ;)
Um...what?

but come on guys the 1/3 of the series finished and we still don't know who's gonna do what. I mean the bee zector's going everywhere. Drake and Kabuto still fights each other and even Sasword's not out yet. Just come on , if this keeps up i guess in the 40th episodes , we will see Someone as Official Zabee and Kanzen Rider Team but the series would already end so it wouldn't worth anything.

And I guess Kagami will be Zabee cause think it like that. After seeing those horrible actions tendou will say you are not even in the path. Than Zabee Zector will leave Kageyama and go to Kagami who chose and sticks to his path and thinks that he killed a worm alone which will give him more confidence right ?I still think Yaguruma will come back. Kagami isn't really fit for TheBee, if Kagami were to be a rider, I'd probably only see it happening in a movie.

[Blackbird]

Just wondering, where are you guys watching this at, I am watching it at TVN and you guys are ahead.
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