Kamen Rider Kabuto - Talk Up! [Fansub Spoilers!!!]

[taramjwi]

Well now, I'd have to say that Mishima delivered the biggest surprise in this episode. And Gatack's victory over Kabuto was rather cheap.

[DiscoInferno]

It seemed kinda stupid that Tendou would forego using the Hyper Zecter since him vs Gattack w/Zect Trooper assist was hardly a fair fight. If nothing else, he should've hypered the troopers out of the battle and then powered back down to fight rider form to rider form with Kagami.

Tendou lost because he was fighting with a huge handicap, Kagami has yet to 'surpass' him.

Kageyama's end felt tacked on (much like the Hoppers themselves really) and it was a really bad way to execute the death of a character who's been around since near the beginning. Ucaworm getting a better send off is quite shocking really.

Apart from those two complaints the episode was pretty good.

Mishima's revelation is pretty much the first 'OMG [recurring character] is a worm!' reveal that I've liked in the series.

[JustAnotherBlueRanger]

eh...

Mishima's 'reveal' like most of the plot developments came about 2-3 episodes too late. They've been hinting at it for so long, they should have done it right when the Nogis showed up.

Kagami's "win" over Tendou was as predicted, anti-climatic and didn't do anything for his character. They missed the best opportunity for him to beat Tendou cleanly way back when the latter was trying to collect all the zectors. Had Kagami beaten him then (to retain Gattack) this fight might have had a bit more interest in it.

In the absence of any kind of translation for the conversations between father and son, I have to say the Hoppers probably had the best moment of the show even though you could remove it and it wouldn't affect the plot one iota.

[Aoi Kurenai]

Oh, please, please, please let the finale be half as amazing as this episode and I'll be satisfied. All complaints about things happening too late aside, the way they were pulled off here was just amazing.

I think Kagami knows that he has yet to surpass Tendou, he seemed extremely surprised when he saw him get hit by the bullets during the kick. My guess is that he was expecting a fair fight.

Though it seemed pretty obvious, I like that Mishima became a Native. I think this was more or less the right area to place it, maybe towards the end of the previous episode, but here was pretty good as well. I love the way his form looks and that he's more or less calling himself the strongest Worm. This was honestly the first time I've had a big "WTF?!" reaction in a good way from a toku in a while. I was expecting Mishima to die at the hands of Negishi, so I'm very please with how they're handling this character.

While the Hopper stuff did seem tacked on and I wish they could have had an entire episode devoted to themselves, it was a nice send off. Again, like what happened with Tsurugi's death, I actually got a little misty eyed watching that scene. I think it's pretty obvious that Kageyama attacked Yaguruma as well and they both killed each other. Yaguruma mentioned they still have to go after something and that they'll be partners forever, so that makes me think that Yaguruma was expecting to die as well and didn't want to put up a fight against his partner.

These two characters could have both been handled a lot better than they were(who couldn't?), but with everything we've seen, this was a far better ending than I was expecting for them. It makes me glad that Yaguruma forgave Kageyama for everything he did to him and didn't seem to treat him like a pawn anymore. Again, another good surprise from the writers, ever since Kageyama became Punch Hopper, I was expecting Yaguruma to just end up killing him out of revenge, not pity. It's a real shame that they didn't live up to be the villains they were originally foreshadowed as, but all things considered, they got a pretty decent ending. I'm glad that they both "stepped back into the light" before their deaths, that's something I would have wanted for them regardless of how their entire arc was handled.

I think it's pretty obvious that Kabuto was saved by Dark Kabuto. The two and maybe Gatack are going to team up to try and defeat Negishi and Mishima in the finale. We're also going to see a third Tendou appear, so it'll be interesting to find out what time line he's from.

I've been greatly enjoying these past few episodes, 48 was definitely my favorite episode and while I wish the entire series was as good as these last ten or so episodes, I'm glad the series is at least going to go out with, not a great bang, but better than I expected considering how rocky a series it's been.

[wyyc]

Damn Kagami for not believing Tendou. Damn Tendou for not telling Kagami about the necklaces sooner. Damn Zectroopers for standing there like bigshots, when Kabuto could have whooped their asses faster than they could blink. Literally.

Wow. Riku acted really nicely this time. Why did Negishi and Mishima go savage on him all of a sudden? Did they find out about the Red Shoes? Now I get why the Natives went after Tendou's dad. They probably knew he was creating something to fight them. Darn. We really need translations for the conversation between Riku and Arata. It sounded like he was asking for Kabuto to fight together with Gatack, but when he found out that Kabuto was gone, he told Arata to fight on.

Tadokoro fighting Natives? At least we know he's good.

So Kusakabe Souji was another human turned into a Native and then made to mimic Tendou? Horrible. Especially since Dark Kabuto was only a kid when they experimented on him. Yay. At least Dark Kabuto's on the good side now, or so I hope. It's disappointing though that the promo for the Statue of Liberty, Space, and Magma 3-round battle was fake.

Mishima and Negishi are our final bosses. It looks like Kagami will die from the preview, seeing that he took a tachyon-charged blow from Mishima (like the one that killed him in 34). It's strange though that Kabuto stopped Gatack from attacking Mishima and went on to have a one on one. Maybe Tendou wants revenge or something against the boss of the Natives.

Edit: Mishima announcing that he was now leader of Zect made me think of Astronema announcing that she was queen of the universe. :P

[wyyc]

IWe're also going to see a third Tendou appear, so it'll be interesting to find out what time line he's from.

OMG. I so didn't realise that! Now I'm even more psyched for the finale. :buttrock:

[Aoi Kurenai]

Mishima and Negishi are our final bosses. It looks like Kagami will die from the preview, seeing that he took a tachyon-charged blow from Mishima (like the one that killed him in 34). It's strange though that Kabuto stopped Gatack from attacking Mishima and went on to have a one on one. Maybe Tendou wants revenge or something against the boss of the Natives.I think it's going to be a three way battle, Gatack VS Kabuto & Dark Kabuto VS Negishi & Mishima. Like I've said before, I think the series is going to end with Kabuto letting more or less everyone think he really was evil. That or the Kabutos are going to be extremely pissed at Mishima.

[wyyc]

I think it's going to be a three way battle, Gatack VS Kabuto & Dark Kabuto VS Negishi & Mishima. Like I've said before, I think the series is going to end with Kabuto letting more or less everyone think he really was evil. That or the Kabutos are going to be extremely pissed at Mishima.

Gatack and Kabuto were fighting together in the preview though, so I believe Arata learnt the truth from Riku. The 2 of them fighting together as comrades in a death match is precisely what I want. Kagami taking a hit in that weird computer room is so reminiscent of him taking the Hyper Kick from Caucasus for Kabuto in GSL.

Could this Tendou be from the future of this timeline? He could be the one we saw ages ago.

[Aoi Kurenai]

I think that reminicense was the point, pretty cool actually. I think Kagami's still going to have some doubts and maybe he'll finally believe either just before his death or one of the three Tendous.

I don't think it's that Tendou, I read somewhere that that Tendou disappeared once "time caught up to him" or something. I never really understood it myself. Though, something about this Tendou makes me think he's going to have all the answers and easily put an end to the fighting.

[wyyc]

For starters, the new Tendou's damn cocky. Maybe he'll use time stop with the Hyper Zecter (I bet this guy's mastered it) or combine all the Hyper Finishers... which reminds me that we haven't seen all of them yet. :disappoin

[Aoi Kurenai]

Yeah, he probably comes from a time where he's mastered everything. So we might see him use the other finishers.

[Dogbot]

I'm confused, So Dark Tendou was a human that was turned into a native...so what the heck is Tendou then?

[Aoi Kurenai]

Someone who lost his parents. Neither is a clone, the real Tendou was made to look like a human and just happened to end up looking like Kusakabe Souji.

[wyyc]

I'm confused, So Dark Tendou was a human that was turned into a native...so what the heck is Tendou then?

A slightly crazy, very talented human.

Dark Tendou was another human turned into a Native, and made to mimic Tendou for reasons yet unknown. Tendou has always been Tendou (hopefully).

[wyyc]

Someone who lost his parents. Neither is a clone, the real Tendou was made to look like a human and just happened to end up looking like Kusakabe Souji.

Hold on. You mean the real Tendou (i.e. Kabuto) was made to look like Kusakabe Souji? So Dark Tendou IS Kusakabe Souji, while the "real" Tendou was made to look like him? Now I'm confused too.

[Aoi Kurenai]

Hold on. You mean the real Tendou (i.e. Kabuto) was made to look like Kusakabe Souji? So Dark Tendou IS Kusakabe Souji, while the "real" Tendou was made to look like him? Now I'm confused too.

Kusakabe Souji = The main character of the series. His father worked close with ZECT and Mishima knew this. Once his parents died, he was taken in by grandmother Tendou.

"Tendou Souji"(We have to realize that this is not his real name, he has never been called anything but "mimic" Souji, this is just for clarity's sake.) = Mishima knew what Kusakabe looked like, he knew that the Kabuto Zecter would go to Kusakabe, so he had a random child kidnapped, turned into a Native and by that process, made him look like the son of the Red Shoes system creator.

HOLY FUCK. Third Tendou is "grandmother" Tendou. Everything just clicked.

[wyyc]

Kusakabe Souji = The main character of the series. His father worked close with ZECT and Mishima knew this. Once his parents died, he was taken in by grandmother Tendou.

"Tendou Souji"(We have to realize that this is not his real name, he has never been called anything but "mimic" Souji, this is just for clarity's sake.) = Mishima knew what Kusakabe looked like, he knew that the Kabuto Zecter would go to Kusakabe, so he had a random child kidnapped, turned into a Native and by that process, made him look like the son of the Red Shoes system creator.

HOLY FUCK. Third Tendou is "grandmother" Tendou. Everything just clicked.

:laugh:

I wonder why the Natives can't just seize control of the Zecters like what Tachikawa Daigo did.

[Aoi Kurenai]

:laugh:

I wonder why the Natives can't just seize control of the Zecters like what Tachikawa Daigo did.I think not all of them can do that, or at least, they don't know they can.

[Momotaros]

Peeps keep saying Kagami dead,but the preview only showed him getting shocked by the worm. remeber that scene could be any where in the episode. For all you know that happens before Kagami gets off the ground at the tv station and he rehenshin into gattack when he sees Kabuto.

[rwar]

Ok, that was intense, but so random. I really don't like the writers on this show. Are they writing Den-O?

Anyways, finally the hints they've been dropping have been revealed (Mishima-pills-worm). They put in another very contrived Kabuto-Gatack fight - first Tendou doesn't explain himself, and then Kagami doesn't trust Tendou despite all they've been through. But I can understand how bizarre things look to Kagami from his point of view.

An omelette rice does NOT make up for getting hit by a bullet.

Tendou should have known that the Zecttroopers would shoot him during his Rider Kick - after all, they shot him just seconds before. If both Riders clocked up, they could have reduced the bullets to distractions (like earlier, when they had a small fight when Kagami was TheBee). They could also easily clock up and leave for a better, fair battleground. Tendou does seem weaker in multi-enemy situations. The relative power of things (like Zecttroopers vs Riders, or Reina vs Riders) seem to rise and fall depending on the required plot.

The Dark Kabuto-Mishima-worm fight was just around the corner from Tendou and Kagami - Tendou could have just led Kagami around the corner and said, hey look. (Well, if Mishima already transformed, it would be a little harder to convince that worm = Mishima, but having the Native boss standing right there could help.)

Mishima controls the Dark Kabuto Zecter? I wonder what he was threatening...I'm missing a lot due to not understanding the dialogue.

Tendou too cocky for someone who knew so little - I wouldn't be so confident if I wasn't sure what was going on - plus I'd abuse the hell out of my Rider clock up to find out more.

About time a Rider used clock up to sneak something out of non-Rider's hands. To break in or whatever. They could have done this many times in the show before, but plot device prevented it.

Surprised Riku didn't know what was coming. He seemed so informed before, and doesn't seem to be a stupid man? Unless everything he knew came from only the natives, and only Kukasabe was smart enough to anticipate things, and put in Red Shoes?

If Riku dies, Kagami should have called for help from Misaki or Tadakoro - they're resourceful, and could have done something while Riku still had some life. Of course, if he dies he was meant to die and live a little longer to impart information and have a touching moment - good ol' fiction.

And LOL at Kagami slamming his father face first into the mud.

Previews:
Hyper Kabuto and Gatack doing a simultaneous Rider Kick against someone - I bet it's Mishima-worm. But Gatack is now doing a Kabuto-style flying kick, not his air roundhouse, and with his left (weak) leg, to boot.

And a new Green worm that can block finishers - perhaps this is the Native boss's worm form?

Hiyori cycling down a leaf-lined lane - huge throwback to Episode 1 (or some other early episode) - Maybe the time reversion will happen after all.

P.S.
First time in recent episodes they bothered to light up the belts for anything - a Rider Kick.

And those Kabuto vs Dark Kabuto scans probably aren't faked - their image quality was too good. I think they just changed their mind. (Unless the someone manage to sneak the fights in in the finale...)

[JustAnotherBlueRanger]

:laugh:

I wonder why the Natives can't just seize control of the Zecters like what Tachikawa Daigo did.

being able to control the Zectors is something that a worm of either species can perform if they are sufficiently strong enough. Examples; Tsurugi/Scorpioworm, Fake Drake, Nogis, all non-native. Then you have Daigo, Hiyori, Mishima, D.Kabuto, as natives that can either control zectors or work with them somehow ie Hiyori repairing the belt.

I'm tempted to say that Ucaworm could also control the zectors since she's presumably strong enough and mentioned she would help Kageyama regain the Bee Zector if he killed Daigo.

3 Tendous? didn't quite catch that, time-travel = too confusing.

[ForeverRed]

Ok... I'm little bit confused...

TV Tendou is actually dead, correct?

Dark Tendou is still alive as well but don't know what happened to him. I know he'll be there in the final next week.

Future Tendou came to the present time and help Gatack to defeat Mishima in the final episode, correct?

Wow... so far, Three Tendous. That is gonna be awesome.

As for episode 48, that was brilliant awesome. LOVED it and BEAUTIFUL! I'm soooo sad that Kabuto is very, very nearly end soon.

I can't wait to see the final episode next week. Man, it has been a good year. Kamen Rider Kabuto rocks and always!

[The 2nd Evil]

Wow, 48 was a LOT better than the spoilers made it seem.

[lobster_orphenoch]

My first question is: what about the other two hooded guys?

(remember 3 hooded guys appeared in the zect board room?)

[Aoi Kurenai]

Ok... I'm little bit confused...

TV Tendou is actually dead, correct?

Dark Tendou is still alive as well but don't know what happened to him. I know he'll be there in the final next week.

Future Tendou came to the present time and help Gatack to defeat Mishima in the final episode, correct?
Both Tendous are alive. The previews make it seem like Darky and TV are going to team up to fight Mishima next episode.