2011 Super Sentai - Rumor Thread

[MrMonk]

Of course it's not. That's what makes the character static. The episodes merely reveal that a trait exists at all. If the episode changed the trait in any way, the characters would be dynamic.
As I said before, I have an issue with the static character as they're portrayed by real actors. You expect for them to move forward, even slightly.

This may honestly just be an issue of expectation and perception.

Surely you can concede that illustrating how a character deals with specific conflicts reveals character? Especially if that character is static and not intended to change at any point in a work?
But of course. I can concede that.

I merely have an issue with it, as the character arcs are not revelatory. But as I just said, this is probably an issue with expectation on my part. I feel the character should change even slightly over the course of the work, but I agree that may not be the creators' intentions for Super Sentai.

[Lynxara]

This may honestly just be an issue of expectation and perception.

Generally, I think the more one participates in fandom, the more a person tends to regard some styles of writing preferable simply because they are better fodder for social discussion in a fandom setting. You can have a shared fan experience over a pulpy Kamen Rider series but it's unlikely anyone forged deep bonds of friendship over Bio Planet WoO.

It's much easier to discuss a dynamic character's progression on a forum than the way a static character is sculpted over time. It's much easier to discuss a melodramatic soap opera-style narrative than a series of done-in-ones. It's much easier to discuss even the cheesiest melodrama than even the best comedy.

Fandom will like what it likes and the nature of fandom is such that there are a hundred posts a day about the likes of OOO because it happens to hit the right buttons for discussion. The danger for a participating fan who also wants to be critical is confusing artistic merit and the things fans tend to like discussing. There's simply no intrinsic relationship between those two groups of things.

So, to bring this back around to Goukagier-- the fact that fans will inevitably bitch about recasting guest characters will bear no relation to whether it's good or bad for the story, or even something that mainstream Japanese audiences basically like or dislike. A secondary fandom like ours exists, more or less, in its own little bubble of reality.

[Neon]

So, to bring this back around to Goukagier-- the fact that fans will inevitably bitch about recasting guest characters will bear no relation to whether it's good or bad for the story
Something I've been saying since the first visiting the sentai worlds rumour.
The recast situation really is not important and people should not be judging the show simply because character A will not be played by the same actor. Goukaiger should be it's own series and it's best not to connect it to it's predecessors, even if their suits and items are used in Goukaiger.

[Shougo B'Stard]

Goukaiger should be it's own series and it's best not to connect it to it's predecessors, even if their suits and items are used in Goukaiger.

If that's the case, and anything dealing with older heroes or acknowledging the anniversary is so unimportant, how's about the show not even bother attempting the goddamn idea then? Acknowledge the past shows and celebrate the anniversary if that's what you want to do. Don't somehow think that your new little show won't be overshadowed by the past characters, and that it takes recasting to try and make your wafer-thin characters stand out more, which completely negates the whole point of bringing back old heroes, Dickheado.

[Sage Shinigami]

If that's the case, and anything dealing with older heroes or acknowledging the anniversary is so unimportant, how's about the show not even bother attempting the goddamn idea then? Acknowledge the past shows and celebrate the anniversary if that's what you want to do. Don't somehow think that your new little show won't be overshadowed by the past characters, and that it takes recasting to try and make your wafer-thin characters stand out more, which completely negates the whole point of bringing back old heroes, Dickheado.

...Hey folks, if Shougo and I are completely in agreement, then it's probably an accurate statement.

Edit:

BTW, Monk? I'd argue that Chiaki and Ryunousuke DID change a bit from the start of the series.

[NeonZ]

Don't somehow think that your new little show won't be overshadowed by the past characters, and that it takes recasting to try and make your wafer-thin characters stand out more, which completely negates the whole point of bringing back old heroes, Dickheado.

Eh... the idea that bringing back old actors in their old roles would obligatorily overshadow the new series is silly. It's the script that will determine what will be overshadowing what.

Look at Blade in Movie Wars 2010. Most people didn't even notice that it was his original actor voicing him there. :sweat: Seriously, Decade at times was an extreme example of that, but I don't think the same will be repeated here.

Sentai is generally just more straight forward than modern Rider and, even if Shinichiro Shirakura ends up an active producer again for Go-Kaiger, I really don't think he'd attempt to make a Decade: Sentai edition, considering how most of his comments about Decade were related to creating something unique that would stand out.

BTW, Monk? I'd argue that Chiaki and Ryunousuke DID change a bit from the start of the series..

Chiaki and Ryunosuke basically developed in their first focus episodes, but afterwards were frozen. It was kind of frustrating too. They could have gone somewhere during the middle of the show if they let Chiaki improve and made him a worth rival for Takeru.

[Lynxara]

BTW, Monk? I'd argue that Chiaki and Ryunousuke DID change a bit from the start of the series.

I don't think they change so much as their characterization gets more detailed. They're basically the same people at the beginning of the show that they are at the end. Their relationship to Takeru changes mainly as a result of Takeru's character developing over the course of the series.

Honestly, the only probable reason why Decade was a crossover was to support Bandai's anniversary toy line, which featured all ten Riders. The extent to which Goukaiger is a crossover and how respectful it is to past seasons is probably going to be dictated mainly by the constraints of the toy line.

I can't say I'm especially upset that I don't have to believe Tsukasa can stick his hand up Godai's ass and turn him into a giant goofy-ass flying Gouram, for instance. Let Onodera and the other newb characters suffer through goofy transformations.

[Jacky392000]

cast members always state in interviews that they'll be scolded if they screw up their acting on set. I know this is a little off track from the discussion but just saying.

[Neon]

If that's the case, and anything dealing with older heroes or acknowledging the anniversary is so unimportant, how's about the show not even bother attempting the goddamn idea then?
Hahahha. The show would be an easy money spinner for Toei. It's as simple as that and that's why the anniversaries are done, the real reason. Not 'celebrate' as they always say. That being said I never said they shouldn't celebrate. I'm trying to urge people to think positively about the new series, don't be bogged down because your favourite character from X sentai turned out not to be the same as you remember them. Let the new show stand on it's own two feet. Criticise it for it's own merits, not because it doesn't present the exact same sentai we saw ten years ago.

Dickheado.
This is a forum. We are all entitled to our own opinions whether you like them or not. There's no need to be so aggressive and childish about the whole thing.

...Hey folks, if Shougo and I are completely in agreement, then it's probably an accurate statement.
Or perhaps you have the same opinions?

[Shougo B'Stard]

This is a forum. We are all entitled to our own opinions whether you like them or not. There's no need to be so aggressive and childish about the whole thing.

I wasn't calling you "Dickheado," that's just the pet-name some of us Decade haters use for "Decade-o." I was "addressing" that show and its horrible approach to "celebrating" an anniversary. I mean, I didn't like most of the Heisei Rider shows, and even I found what Decade did to be insulting. How could actual fans have liked it?

[musashi03]

I mean, I didn't like most of the Heisei Rider shows, and even I found what Decade did to be insulting.

THIS.

Anyway, I just liked the concept of Decade, but not the execution.

[Forever Knight]

How could actual fans have liked it?

Because we do. But there is no point in defending any of it because you guys will just jump all over our defenses for liking it anyway.

[Digifiend]

U also forgot Red would play AhnkMaybe didn't realise it was the same guy. He's blond in OOO (most of the time).

[Sage Shinigami]

I don't think they change so much as their characterization gets more detailed. They're basically the same people at the beginning of the show that they are at the end. Their relationship to Takeru changes mainly as a result of Takeru's character developing over the course of the series.


I don't know about Chiaki, who probably does change his relationship as a result of discovering more about Takeru, but Ryunousuke eventually evolves from someone who just wanted to serve "the Lord", to someone who was simply faithful to a friend--granted it took time.



Or perhaps you have the same opinions?

...Yeah...that never happens.

[Gold Samurai]

Maybe didn't realise it was the same guy. He's blond in OOO (most of the time).

I knew. It was just dry humor.

[Lynxara]

I don't know about Chiaki, who probably does change his relationship as a result of discovering more about Takeru, but Ryunousuke eventually evolves from someone who just wanted to serve "the Lord", to someone who was simply faithful to a friend--granted it took time.

Even that I didn't really interpret as an aspect of his character. Each of the non-Takeru Shinkengers embodies a particular idea that, culturally, Japanese people tend to have about themselves. Ryuunosuke was the tendency to think a lot about appearances and put a lot of stock in social rituals. So that's what he has to make hard decisions about throughout the series.

At the end, all I see him doing is really just caught in a situation where he has to choose between correct ritual behavior (staying with his Lord) and correct moral behavior (saving a comrade). Yeah, he does eventually go save his comrade after struggling with the decision, but he would've done that at the beginning of the show, too.

Ryuunosuke is spared any actual internal conflict since Takeru is legitimized very shortly after this scene takes place (IIRC).

[DangerDang]

And that's where they fucked up..if this is true, I can't wait to see some j-pop 15 year old, wearing a Red Falcon suit. :redface2:


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Wing Saber]

What I want to see out of Gokaigers is that the group is able to stand on their own without using the older Sentai as a crutch. While it's good that they're able to turn to them for advice, they still have to do the rest. There might be some episodes where they might not wind up on a Sentai World, which would be the best time to develop them by having them solve a problem on their own.

Even if this is an anniversary show, the focus has to be on the Gokaigers instead of the older Sentai. If they don't do that, it would make the current team look weak.

[lazycoconut]

On the other hand if they're too superpowered, we'll have a repeat of Decade which basically says "forget the entire history of the franchise, these godmoders are the only ones who can do anything useful."

[Geki night]

I don't know about you guys, but I wanna see a plotline about GoukaiRed having a dead older brother who was supposed to be the original GoukaiRed before dying.

[Wing Saber]

On the other hand if they're too superpowered, we'll have a repeat of Decade which basically says "forget the entire history of the franchise, these godmoders are the only ones who can do anything useful."

At least there was a reason why Decade was overpowered. He was originally made to destroy Riders.

[Punk]

Wait, Zord Crowns and the Gokaigers would also have to wear skirts if they henshin into female ranger suits....This is going to be a clusterfuck of a series.

[lazycoconut]

They'll most likely have two girls and one of them can become a male if she needs to, like is being done now in the Goseiger intros to the Vs specials

[Neon]

I wasn't calling you "Dickheado," that's just the pet-name some of us Decade haters use for "Decade-o." I was "addressing" that show and its horrible approach to "celebrating" an anniversary. I mean, I didn't like most of the Heisei Rider shows, and even I found what Decade did to be insulting. How could actual fans have liked it?
In that case I apologise for freaking out on you.
Sorry. :<

[NeonZ]

On the other hand if they're too superpowered, we'll have a repeat of Decade which basically says "forget the entire history of the franchise, these godmoders are the only ones who can do anything useful."

Which Decade were you watching anyway?

I see this complaint raised often, but Decade basically had as a staple a team up at the ending of every arc. How does that become "Decade is the only useful one"? Yes, I know that most people here hated the FFR and recasts, but disliking the show doesn't negate what it did.