2011 Super Sentai - Rumor Thread

[Gold Samurai]

Well they seem to be a popular gimmick. As I said before Goseiger started they have an advantage over previous auxilary mecha.

Smaller

You can get 3 aux mecha for the price of one unlike GoGodrill which went for 15 dollars by itself

The size gives room for more stuff to attach. Imagine if HyperGoseiGreat had 10 auxillary that were the size of say Gunpherd.

[GekiDan]

Actually, I'd prefer that the zord battles were less frequent. I realize I'm stepping on toes here, but I think they lose their appeal when they happen every single episode. I think maybe it would be better for more two episode arcs.
You know that TOEI can't do that. Why?
Because these mecha battles are a way of advertising their merchandises. :redface2:
Less mecha fights, less profits from mecha toy sales...

[Mr. Yellow]

If they have to do the massive mecha battles, at least make them drawn out and meaningful. Not just appear, attack, form change, attack, change again, final attack, yay!

[GekiDan]

If they have to do the massive mecha battles, at least make them drawn out and meaningful. Not just appear, attack, form change, attack, change again, final attack, yay!
Well, if you watch Bioman, you'll just see combine, enemy attacks, then final attack. How's that? :P

[TaToBa]

I prefer CGI to the suitmation zord battles.

Actually, I'd prefer that the zord battles were less frequent. I realize I'm stepping on toes here, but I think they lose their appeal when they happen every single episode. I think maybe it would be better for more two episode arcs.

I am not really a fan of the CGI stuff myself. I do agree though that I feel mech battles get stale having them every episode. I would prefer they to do something like the whole "all weapons combine" every once in a while without the monster of the day surviving and growing.

I feel like there will be a lot going on though with this show, so we might end up getting episode arcs. It would be hard to do one of the worlds in a single episode, and it would seem pointlessly forced if they still tried to smash a mecha battle into each episode while following that formula.

[Black Fang]

Even Kamen Rider has done something similar once (Dragredder -> Grandredder, but that was all CG, of course).


You mean Dragranzer, right?

[NeonZ]

You mean Dragranzer, right?

That's right. I'm not really good with proper names, so these things happen once in a while if I don't use a reference page while typing a message...

[Lynxara]

You know that TOEI can't do that.

Except they did and the show's name was Dairanger. Zyuranger also regularly did episodes without mecha battles.

You get no-mecha episodes from time to time to this day, usually if a big plot thing happens. Shinkenger had one and Goseiger's had at least one.

The idea of not showing the robot every episode probably makes Bandai nervous, but Toei has done it before and could probably do it again. I figure the default for Super Sentai is "robot every episode" because that's easier.

[KingRanger]

Except they did and the show's name was Dairanger. Zyuranger also regularly did episodes without mecha battles.

You get no-mecha episodes from time to time to this day, usually if a big plot thing happens. Shinkenger had one and Goseiger's had at least one.

The idea of not showing the robot every episode probably makes Bandai nervous, but Toei has done it before and could probably do it again. I figure the default for Super Sentai is "robot every episode" because that's easier.

Show me the no mecha episode of shinkenger. They made it mandatory story wise to have a mecha battle in that show.

[Yobuster]

Actually i would prefer robo every other episode, sort of make 1 ep really 2 eps like Kamen Rider W. Better story telling that way.

Question in regards to the 2011 rumours, would Goukaiger be a full year series or would it be like Decade where it was only 7months or so?

[Kivat]

Show me the no mecha episode of shinkenger. They made it mandatory story wise to have a mecha battle in that show.

The episode where takeru's true identity is discovered, then he goes off into the woods to see his father's grave, he encounter's Juuzo and that went off into a 2 parter.

Any deep arc with Juuzo didn't have a mech battle, if I recall correctly.

[Lynxara]

Show me the no mecha episode of shinkenger. They made it mandatory story wise to have a mecha battle in that show.

Episode 48. The first half of the episode continues directly from 47 and is a battle on foot with Doukoku. The second half of the episode is spent on resolving the True ShinkenRed plot. The last second life MotW is destroyed in episode 47 and Doukoku's second life doesn't appear until 49.

Any deep arc with Juuzo didn't have a mech battle, if I recall correctly.

A lot of these episodes do have mecha battles! Shinkenger would often do a clever thing where they'd have the mecha battle at the beginning of most big Juuzou episodes, so it wouldn't have to upstage the plot stuff that was going to occur later on. There's one really awful episode, I can't remember the number for the life of me, but they just tacked on a mecha fight by having four giant enemy grunts with a cannon show up. That fight was, ah, short.

[Kivat]

A lot of these episodes do have mecha battles! Shinkenger would often do a clever thing where they'd have the mecha battle at the beginning of most big Juuzou episodes, so it wouldn't have to upstage the plot stuff that was going to occur later on. There's one really awful episode, I can't remember the number for the life of me, but they just tacked on a mecha fight by having four giant enemy grunts with a cannon show up. That fight was, ah, short.

lol Woow, you're right. I stand corrected.

It was clever though, instead of the predictable mostly at the end eps.

[GekiDan]

I tend not to include 2 parter cliffhangers since they are intended to continue to the next episode.
But yeah, two parters rarely get a mecha fight.

They made it mandatory story wise to have a mecha battle in that show.
And it's because of the 2nd life thingy.:sweat:

[Lynxara]

I tend not to include 2 parter cliffhangers since they are intended to continue to the next episode.

Shinkenger went way beyond a two-parter. The last four episodes stick to only the basics of the Super Sentai script formula and largely flow into each other in serialized form.

It's perfectly possible to do writing like that, or two-parters, and still mandate a mecha sequence in each part. So I think it still "counts" that Shinkenger produced an episode with no mecha sequences.

[big_j_ny]

By the way, I co-sign Lynxara's suggestion of having a Robotic Sentai team.

ROBOTIC SENSHI FTW!!!! :buttrock: :P

[Forever Knight]

Actually i would prefer robo every other episode, sort of make 1 ep really 2 eps like Kamen Rider W. Better story telling that way.

That's like saying you'd prefer a henshin fight every other episode. Mecha battles are part of Sentai episode tradition.

[TaToBa]

That's like saying you'd prefer a henshin fight every other episode. Mecha battles are part of Sentai episode tradition.

I see your point. My only problem with it is just since we get both a henshin fight and mecha battle with Sentai. It doesn't leave as much room for story, and a lot of the times the mecha battle feels really forced. I personally have always enjoyed seeing the monster be defeated by the weapons, but that might just be because we don't see it as often.

[Sage Shinigami]

I see your point. My only problem with it is just since we get both a henshin fight and mecha battle with Sentai. It doesn't leave as much room for story, and a lot of the times the mecha battle feels really forced. I personally have always enjoyed seeing the monster be defeated by the weapons, but that might just be because we don't see it as often.

"They've always done it like that", is not a point. Sometimes mecha fights take a lot out of a strong finish that the team worked really hard for.

[dukemon22]

Also depends on what team you're dealing with. If you're looking at something where the mecha is a central part of the series, then it's fine to have the final battle finish as such.

If it's a series where the mecha are just there as mecha, then it does sometimes kill the momentum of the final battle.

The ideal is what Abaranger did, in my opinion- half the team fighting on the ground, half the team in the robos.

[Lynxara]

Abaranger's robots were the worst part of the show in the stuff I saw, having the finale entirely in the robots for that series would be really lame.

Now, just as a writer I like the idea that "less is more" when it comes to super-fantastic elements of a series. I think older fans really would care more about the robots if they saw less of them.

I suspect Toei doesn't do this, after playing around with it in the early 90s, because going episodes without the robot probably left really little kids who weren't really following the plot disappointed.

[NeonZ]

I thought Deka and Boukenger had good takes on the mecha use. Generally each enemy had a reason to go giant besides just being defeated by the main team, and their method of doing so varied.

Boukenger also had a few episodes which had almost all of the action sequences limited to the vehicles and robots. They certainly weren't just randomly thrown in into the show.

[Digifiend]

Yeah, just look at Boukenger's first episode. The rangers are actually using some of the mecha to access an underwater volcanic cavern... where they accidentally unleash the big bad. The mecha were useful even outside of combat.

[Black Fang]

"They've always done it like that", is not a point. Sometimes mecha fights take a lot out of a strong finish that the team worked really hard for.

Case in point: Liveman 46.


Now, just as a writer I like the idea that "less is more" when it comes to super-fantastic elements of a series. I think older fans really would care more about the robots if they saw less of them.

Not just them, but the characters themselves. The heroes seem to give more of a damn about their mechas (as seen in Flashman and Liveman episodes for example) when they have less of them. Can you say the same about Goseiger's Headders or any Sentai where a new mecha appears whenever the team is in a jam?

[Lynxara]

Yeah, the only robots I've seen the team really care about lately have been the "little monster" types like the original five Origami or the Go-on machines or the Miracle Headders-- the ones that have personalities.

I'm okay with this as long as the mecha don't start talking. Jesus hell, I hate it when that happens because Toei pretty much ends up writing the robot like a Digimon, and that's such an off dynamic for Super Sentai.

This is pretty much one of the two things that keeps me from getting into Abaranger, I just detest everything about the robots.